Started by DOBRESCU Mihai on 24 March 2017 • 36,275 views
Is there a Russian-speaking person around? There should be some.
I have attempted to find a list of the Dizzy games that are present within the http://www.dizzyland.ru website. Using the "Google Translate" Software Application, I cannot determine yet whether that website is just criticizing the Dizzy universe or it actually contains some executable binary files related to the Dizzy games.
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:umm: what’s the point of this list? it’s overly complicated and unnecessary .. i’m not sure what the purpose is or what the end goal is.
Oh well, Onwards
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Hi, Meph.
Thank you for your honest criticism and valuable feed-back.
We might tend to get a little philosophical over here... What is the point of "Spellbound Dizzy"? What is the point of "Dizzy and Zaks' Ring"? What is the point of the entire universe that is centered around an animated character representing an eternally-smiling egg, endowed with red boxing gloves and red boots?
And why would a sane human being spend literally years from their lifetime sending that egg left and right, up and down, picking one thing from somewhere and dropping it somewhere else? It does not really make sense, after all.
The purpose or the goal of this list initially was to simply gather all of the known Dizzy games, since they might be scattered on diverse websites. In time, I have added some bits and pieces of information that have complicated it, I agree. The format would now be better suited for a table, but I prefer the plain text format because it is the simplest of them all and it is available on any possible electronic device.
Also, it happens that this year, 2017, we celebrate thirty years from the making of the very first Dizzy game. The list also attempts to chronologically gather bits and pieces of information from the history of the Dizzy universe. That might also seem insane, I agree. Why would anybody collect Michael Jackson's used paper handkerchiefs? Why would anyone visit the basements of all of the known pyramids that are scattered around the Earth and consequently get infected by unseen and unknown microorganisms? And still, people do it. A lot.
My next venture would have been to place the list on Wikipedia in a more readable format, for instance in a table. There are a few reasons why I am not rushing to perform this step. Of course, one would eagerly ask again: what is the point? Wait a minute, there... What is the point of having Wikipedia, after all?
I am afraid that I cannot give you a definite answer to your question, Meph. In the beginning of this thread, Adz.M has said something similar and then he seemed to have changed his mind. I have just felt like doing this list and I have done it. It might seem that I have overdone it, but this happens when you have to deal with a lot of data.
If I have offended anyone of the 1528 members of the Dizzy community through the making of this list, then I apologize. My intention was not to annoy anyone. I am a very thorough person and I really felt very comfortable in this process. I felt that I have learned a lot. I even had no idea that certain things do exist, for instance, Sinclair ZX Spectrum TR-DOS.
So, again, in the end, please forgive me also for writing a lot. After all, what's the point in reading "War and Peace" by Dostoevsky?
Hi, Rindex.
Thank you for answering my call.
I have updated the Part Two of the list that appears within an earlier post. I have edited the following lines:
2,013-04-20: "Dizzy for http://zx-pk.ru " (Not on https://www.yolkfolk.com ; Windows 32bit; Russian; http://my-files.ru/2b1pic )
The correct name would not be "Dizzy For", but the complete name of the game rather is "Dizzy for http://zx-pk.ru ". I have started the "DizzyFor.exe" executable binary file and it works perfectly, but it needs a Russian audience. I can barely read the Russian language and that veeery sloooowly.
I can imagine that http://zx-pk.ru must be a Russian website dedicated to the Sinclair ZX Spectrum microcomputer.
This way, I have found a new entry in my list, launched six days ago!
http://zx-pk.ru/content/170-Dizzy-VII-%E2%80%94-Crystal-Kingdom-Dizzy-(REMAKE-2017)
http://zxart.ee/rus/soft/game/arcade/adventure/dizzy-vii-crystal-kingdom-dizzy-2017/
This seems to be a remake done still for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum microcomputer! It is unbelievable that they are still programming it!
I knew that there was another Dizzy world out there, owned by the Russians. I could feel it.
I have also updated the Part One of the list that appears within an earlier post. I have inserted the following lines:
2,017-04-16: Dizzy VII.C: "Crystal Kingdom Dizzy 2017" (ZX Spectrum 128 / +2 / +2A; http://zxart.ee/rus/soft/game/arcade/adventure/dizzy-vii-crystal-kingdom-dizzy-2017/ )
About Blinky - as I have been told by other Forum members, the Dizzy list should contain only Dizzy games. So, no Dizzy clones such as Mystic Belle, Giddy, Spud, Poonsy, Seymour, Blinky, Knoorkie, Pac-Man, Slightly Magic, Spike in Transylvania or anything else that is not named Dizzy should appear within the list.
Thank you very much indeed, Rindex!
Hi, Meph.
I am now playing your "Heart-Land Dizzy", a huge adventure. I have only one game map, probably made by a Russian brother. The dialogues are not helping me much, either. They are sometimes extremely witty until they do not make much sense, at all.
Hi, Meph.
It is funny that every time I think that I am clueless, the next day I make some more moves and go on with the game.
Your spelling is also funny. Maybe we can get someone to translate it into the English language.
To bend the discussion more towards the topic of the thread, I am investigating the possibility of wikipedeeing the Comprehensive List of the 397 Dizzy Games that I have found so far.
Howdy, nah i wasn’t criticising , i just didn’t see the benefit or purpose of going to all the trouble to make such a list. We all have quirky hobbies i guess. :toothy:
[/quote]Well the person wants, let does the list. I can offer the too. And there some games are corrected very much even strongly. For example Dizzy-1. There in settings in general the choice became huge.
Hi, everyone.
The Wikipedia administrators are not as mild as the members of the Dizzy community. It will take a while until I can make the article a clean and approved page of the cybernetic encyclopedia. They have all kinds of requirements, that I do not know yet if I am able to fulfill.
For instance, I need to provide some references and they even doubt the few ones that I have already provided. Two fan-sites, a forum, and a YouTube video do not raise to the level of reliability that the Wikipedia administrators want.
Of course, this is a never-ending story. We can go on and on, improving the article and still, not everybody can be satisfied at the same time.
I can offer the too. And there some games are corrected very much even strongly. For example Dizzy-1. There in settings in general the choice became huge.
Thank you again, Rindex, for intervening and showing me your lists. I understand three things:
1. There is a person who is translating the Dizzy Adventure Game Engine into the Russian language.
2. Most of the executable binary files that are present in your archive files are cheated.
3. Some of the titles have already been translated into the Russian language.
Now, one idea would be to add the translated titles into the list, but that does not make much sense, for two reasons:
A. The list would go bigger and bigger with every new language that the titles get translated into. Imagine that our great-great-great-great-grandchildren will still be playing Dizzy, after a few hundreds of years, instead of dropping it in favor of solving the problem of obtaining the world energy. Then, instead of having just five languages (English, Russian, Polish, Czech, and Romanian) as we have now, we would have maybe one hundred languages. That would definitely be too much.
B. The translations do not create new games, but they just produce some versions of already existing titles. The list is already full of versions that are very similar to each other, with very small differences.
Hi, Rindex.
Rrrright. I am sorry, but, as I know my own faults of my Dâmbovița English (Dâmbovița is the main river that crosses Bucharest), sometimes I have trouble understanding your own Khimki English. I am sure that you are trying to do your best.
The topic of this thread is solely the list of Dizzy games. We shall not enter again into any philosophical discussions such as why are we making it, what is our purpose on this planet Earth, what does Self-Realisation mean et caetera.
Any other topics simply do not interest me or they have their places elsewhere, in other threads. I do not intend to create any Dizzy game on my own because, in my humble opinion, there are enough out there already - 396 - for a few decades to play.
I am still not willing to add your Russian versions to the list, but I see that you might persuade me into doing it, in the long run. If the differences are very significant as compared to the original versions, we might do something about it.
I can understand that creating Russian fonts in the same manner as the original fonts can be a burden. But I do not think that that reason is enough for inserting significant differences.
Also, some people might not be interested in translating (actually, in localizing) the games at all. For instance, most of the Romanians speak English at least at a very bare level, because all our television stations are translated by subtitling and not by producing a different soundtrack. Therefore, some people would just love to play the games in their original languages. I know that I have learned a lot of English words in my childhood by going to the dictionary after reading a message in a Dizzy game.
What I am really interested in are the original Russian games - such as "Dizzy and Zaks' Ring" - that I am not yet aware of. I have attempted to Google translate the http://www.dizzyland.ru web page, to no avail, as I have not been able to determine yet whether that site does contain any other titles made by the Russians.
Anyway, keep up the good work, Rindex. I can see that you have a genuine passion for the Dizzy games.
Hi, everyone.
Sooooo.... It appears that the Wikipedia adventure has been a very short and fruitful one.
Today I have noticed that the list is gone and redirected to the article about the Dizzy series. Also, in the history of the Dizzy series article, there is a note that the paragraph that was directing towards the list has been removed for vandalism.
The world is currently full of crazy people and apparently, the Wikipedia administrators are among them. A little power they get and they abuse it. I have been a database administrator once and I know what a crazy world it is. It makes you feel like some kind of God or something.
From among the web hosting solutions, I have decided to use a Cloud Provider, namely Microsoft OneDrive. I have posted an Apache OpenOffice Calc OpenDocument Spreadsheet (".ODS") file on Microsoft OneDrive and apparently, the Microsoft Excel Online software application is able to present it directly within a web browser.
Yours sincerely,
Dizzy19 the vandal.
Post-Scriptum: upon request for explanations, the proud Wikipedia Administrator has answered in this original way:
"Fair enough, it wasn't exactly vandalism. You said there were more than 300 Dizzy games when you meant including fan-made games so it sounded weird. The comprehensive page doesn't exist anymore so you can't really have a link to it." -- Liquidmetalrob (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
So he did delete it!
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Where you see in Wikipedia though the word about DizzyAGE? So what you want? Juvenile idiots has fully divorced.
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Hi, Rindex.
True. True.
I had only good intentions.