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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:51 pm
by Lex_Hedley
I'll agree with you about the control. Sometimes that can be very annoying.
Other times they have made the product do what it needs (for the average user), but the freedom to customize would be handy.

I can't agree with you about flash, it's outdated, memory intensive, it does keep you warm on a winters day since your laptop becomes an oven, but still.
I think its a great thing that HTML5 video etc is emerging as it is very useful and goes back to proper web technologies.

You can make your iPod into a portable harddrive and iTunes can be annoying at times with certain file types.
I've probably just got use to it, which isn't the best stand to take but.

Not sure what you mean about the iPad comment. They are making the devices laptop free which is a great idea, yes you probably need another computer, for wireless sync, but who doesn't have one these days.

P.S. Nice video :p

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:03 pm
by delta
Lex_Hedley wrote:I can't agree with you about flash, it's outdated, memory intensive
oh I agree, but my point with that is that the choice should be the consumers (or the website developers).

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:33 pm
by Lex_Hedley
But was flash a choice made by consumers or was that pushed upon us by adobe etc.

I think it's good that Apple have decided not to allow flash as it makes companies have to change, and it is a change for the good.
It helps the web community as a whole not just Apple.

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:08 am
by frogandhat
@ delta :v2_dizzy_thumbsup:

@ lex
Apple said that with iOs 5 that updates wouldn't need to be the whole os, but the first update IS! And apparently doesn't even fix the issue it was intended to resolve, but may indeed actually make it worse!!!! I have an iPad, so dont need the update, which is just as well as iTunes drops the connection halfway through a 4 hour download, which it refuses to resume so I have to start again - but how long will it be before my iPad refuses to sync because the iOs is out of date? I had it before with iOs 4, so I will be forced into an update I neither want, need, or can get!
I have to agree with delta, Apple do want complete control, and as you stated yourself iTunes has issues- its on version 10.something, surely these FUNDAMENTAL issues should have been resolved by now! As I said before, my biggest beef is with Apple fanboys, as they think the sun shines out of Steve Job's backside and he could do no wrong. Well he could, he was only human after all, and Apple are no better than most other companies out there and significantly worse than a hell of a lot, so why do you put all your faith and trust in something so obviously flawed? They out unnecessary restrictions n their products and charge you a premium price because of it - but hey, it's in a pretty box so everything's alright!
(mind you, that's a business model that seems to have worked OK for B&O!)

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:46 pm
by Grandad
I really don't understand this i-tunes thingee. I do have an MP3 player (Zen Creative), and a large CD collection, so for any music I want to hear on the move I just shove a CD in my XP and it loads onto Windows Media Player. Then I connect my MP3 player and Media Player automatically synchs and adds anything that has been added to Media Player. No fuss and no mucking about with upgrades. I can only suppose that i-tunes is purely for people who like to download their music rather than buy (or copy) CDs, but if I did want to download MP3 music files then I'd probably just use Amazon.

Please tell me that the video from Jamie about the 'wheel' was a wind up cos I really hate to think that anybody with fully functioning hands could get excited about taking 45 minutes to type 6 lines of an email, not even an Apple devotee

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:39 pm
by Lex_Hedley
They have made some brilliant software that is easy to use, intuitive and fairly revolutionary in parts.
Not always the best you could make it but they are a company so you clearly want repeat business as all other companies do.

What companies do you class as better just out of curiosity?

do you use windows/linux?
Windows has just as many problems if not more that a Mac.

I'm not saying apple are perfect in any way shape or form but I just don't understand this hounding they are getting.
There are as many people who have had problems with the updates as there are without, you might have just been unlucky, nobodies perfect so there are always going to be some problems.

I don't know what restrictions you are talking about, it's based on linux and can been changed as such, yes some of their software will have blocks but so do most other companies, I don't see that as all bad.

I think the fact they are doing well shouldn't be a reason to criticise them.

If you want complete control you'd have to write the software yourself or use open source only.

@Grandad you can import cds from itunes into your library. Amazon downloads link to WMP or iTunes etc.

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:47 pm
by delta
Grandad wrote:Please tell me that the video from Jamie about the 'wheel' was a wind up cos I really hate to think that anybody with fully functioning hands could get excited about taking 45 minutes to type 6 lines of an email, not even an Apple devotee
Yes, it's a very good piss-take of the uncritical hype Apple gets when announcing a new product :p

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:00 pm
by frogandhat
@Lex -I am not defending anybody or any other company or software, I am merely pointing out that the Apple products I have used are no better than other products I have used, but in many ways worse, and in the case of their computers more expensive. I am even typing this on my iPad. And even though this is the case, there are a large number of people out there that defend Apple to the hilt, and will not hear a bad word said against them, thinking that anything with the logo on is the best thing since sliced bread, and this quite plainly is not true. No other tech firm seems to garner this level of fandom, so fair play to the Apple marketing execs, you guys must be geniuses.
There are plenty of restrictions with Apple, having to use iTunes for example.

Grandad - if you use an idevice, you HAVE to use iTunes to transfer your music etc onto it. So any faults with the software really impinges badly on the usability of the hardware. I far prefer my crappy Bush MP3 player, where it just acts as a USB storage device, so I can just transfer whatever I want using Windows Explorer. Does exactly what I want, not what it thinks I want.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:46 am
by Lex_Hedley
I hope I don't come across as a typical fan boy, I don't think they are perfect in any way but just wanted to defend some points. It's a shame you've had problems, maybe I've just been lucky so far or don't need as much freedom. Although it hasn't been without faults.

Thanks for the discussion, it's good to have differing views some times

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:21 am
by frogandhat
Lex - its refreshing to speak (?) to someone defending Apple who isn't a Fanboy! And therefore has a realistic viewpoint, rather than the standard "Apple are the greatest and can do no wrong". The aren't, and they can, frequently. just like anyone else.

Granted, I may be unlucky in some of the problems I have, I would imagine there are a large number of people for whom nothing goes wrong and they aren't annoyed by every hoop Apple makes me jump through, but I know from Apple support forums that I am not the only one encountering the issues I have, which makes me realise it isn't me causing the problems at least!